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Isabelle
Thank you, that was a very informative piece on Elizabeth de Courtenay. And you were quite correct; there were a number of other de Courtenay/de Vere connections. In fact, Elizabeth and her first husband, Sir John de Vere, were 3rd cousins, once removed—just outside the four degrees of prohibition, although well within those of the civil system still in limited use post 1215. If I could point out a small correction, however, Elizabeth’s son, Hugh, by her second husband, Sir Andrew Luttrell, was married to Catherine Beaumont, daughter of Sir John Beaumont, of Saunton & Sherwell, and his wife Joan Crawthorn. What connection Sir John Beaumont might have had to Hugh, the 3rd Lord Beaumont doesn’t seem to be known, but it is possible Sir John could have been of a cadet house.
And yes, Sir Andrew Luttrell did come from a significant family. He was of a cadet of the Luttrells of Irnham, who descend from Ralph Paynel, a tenant-in-chief in the Domesday survey in the counties of York, Lincoln, Northampton, Gloucester, Devon, and Somerset (Irnham being one of the numerous manors held by Ralph in 1086). Prior to the conquest, Ralph was a Norman baron of middling rank from Les Moutiers-Hurbert, Calvados.
I also appreciated your comments on medieval marriage. Too many today project their modern understanding of a subject like marriage onto historical periods, assuming that customs were the same then as now. For anyone interested there is a very generous preview of a book: The royal bastards of medieval England, By Chris Given-Wilson and Alice Curteis at this link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=xKI9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=medieval+marriages,+3rd+cousins&source=bl&ots=YQW1yU_BD4&sig=fc3lZb2x4qkQohp6evLXgo2RLWQ&hl=en#PPP1,M1
Beginning on page 30 is an in-depth explanation of many of the principals of medieval marriages and provides explanation of issues of consanguinity, affinity, and spiritual ties. The book also delves into clerical celibacy, love and marriage by class, and also medieval divorce. There are several other publications on the subject, but this book, in just the introduction alone, is one of the better I’ve read.
Jim
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